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I'm stil here, wil u join me, fuck the kids, diy, thanks steve and yall, i'm sacrfiicing myself partly for something slighlty bigger than the mighty greed, though i do like a scoff once and awhile myself. i cunt drink, wat the fuk else am i gonna do, wud've liked to seen more input from other 'members' but meh it was grand and even inspiring, keep it real maaan.

i'm not one of these faux revos eives who rants and then judges, i just get angry like anybody else - equalzity, or doesn't set up business under the guise of passing on the profits, 'do ya wana buy a t-shirt', bah kefe!!! "i got work to do and i'm finishing early too", man the kids believed the hype woa nelly so wat were the 'punk parents' tellin em, shows how well they wrapped it up but those hands can still be unpried if even slightly, betta than nada or wats the point, yea well they got the narcissists to spread the news for them too well and good, all people not just punk will save this day but we ain't all the same but we ain't in this to better one another and i know i may have to fight but i think they call that survival, wat else have we got.

use wat u know against them az they do us everyday.

now about those ticket prices and so on......fuck nostalgia.

Not quite sure what you're saying there Blair, so can't really comment back...

Anyway, I watched the movie, it was interesting, though nothing really there that I didn't already know... apart from the story about that David Beckham twat! Fuck, was it all really so long ago? Time flies by way too fast...

Shame it all didn't really accomplish much, as to regards to what's going on today! Like I said in my last post, people in punk rock these days are more likely to support and promote multi national corporations rather than hate and diss them! Or so it seems in this country anyway...

"I don't mind being mad if being like you is normal
I'm mad I'm mad I'm glad I'm mad if being like you is normal".

Good Ideas Never Die is wat i'm sayin

Sounds like you're listening to the wrong bands and to be fair that kinda shit's been going on in the "Punk Scene" since it started.

Ha ha, they're not the bands I listen to or the people I hang with!

Just attitudes that ya read on message boards these days! Which definately did NOT happen pre about the mid 90's at the earliest!

I've been into punk since 1979 and have definately seen rather a change in the "punk scene".

Since punk became mainstream/the internet I suppose!

Unless you were around in the late 70's - early 80's, it's probably just about impossible to for me to explain exactly what I mean without writing a million pages!

You just had to be there and experienced life/punk as it was then!

I suppose I'm just an old cunt remembering the "good old days".

i wrote a mean reply but alas, the net ate it but the attitude remains, oh yes i was born in the boondocks outta time and outta mind and i still love it, the thing that remains is fo realzness, ya can smell it, the net has made people not experience directly as quickly but its a right of passge, punk rock i mean not the net muha.

I suppose I seem to think that punk has just gotten "stale". There just doesn't seem to be any real anger or energy left in it! No one seem interested in "anarchist" ideals anymore! All I seem to see these days is "mainstream/conservative" type opinions! People only seem to want to talk about the actual music these days and nothing deeper! It was so much fun when we were all writing/singing about police state/surveilance cameras/CND/vivisection/corporations etc etc etc... there was a good energy and buzz to it all! People just seem so accepting of it all now, even though it's still all there! These days if you talk about any of this shit, people just seem to think you're mad or something!

Maybe easier forms of worldwide communications has just encouraged more meaningless and trivial dribble to be written, rather than people putting in some real effort and feeling...

I herd there was a protest on today, on the breeze, it's just spanned out mike and i'm trying to do something anachristic and unacceptable that i need help with, as i already mentioned from all forms of that spectrum; and beyond, i thought about it deep and hard, the cynicism(which never makes anything but it should be leading somewhere good as it were) is palpable amongst the ghetto but not outside who we can/need to bring into the fold/'unity', on an individual basis.

r u sure you're not just stuck in the cuntry haha as i see the turn of tides change all the time in the city, bad and good but yes i want to make it sustainable and i don't just mean punk rock and punk won't change the world as they say, its just part of the puzzle, a bigger part to some of us than others, even sum cops listen to punk rock these days so wats the diff?

ya gotta lay a brick to build a house, for everybody who needs it, work ain't just someit ya get paid for etc etc blabla

punk is art, activism is just that, lets actually change it specially now when sympathy is on our side in a new miliinieum!!!!!!!!!!!!

At the end of the day, there's over 6,000,000,000 people on this planet and as individuals, every one of us thinks differently! To think that we can ever achieve some form of collective way of thinking or living and really change some of the major wrongs on this planet is really just plain impossible! All you can really do I suppose is do what you feel is right and hope that it contributes in a small way to changing a small part of what is wrong!

Punk rock, I suppose, is just an art and really nothing more! I feel that, for me, all I can really do is have my say about things and have the satisfaction of having done that, whether I'm right or wrong or just plain silly!

Watching that Crass video was quite inspirational really, cos I've actually just realised that what they were/are doing is basically what I'm doing! Like Penny Rimbauld, I've managed to score myself a house with a bit of land and am trying to live outside of the system as much as I can and grow as much of my own food as is realistic and record/release my own music with which to have my say! About the only thing that's really different I suppose, is the "open door policy"... and that ain't gonna happen, because of past experiences, I don't trust the human race enough to even consider that! Ha ha, I can be a one man Crass-type movement in New Zealand!

And I'll just leave a good deal of the NZ punkers to tell me, via message boards, how many times they stopped at KFC on their band tour and how much piss they cleverly managed to drink and vomit up! Or how they deep fried a McDonalds burger or bought $500 designer sun glasses or show me photos of their Nike shoe collection! And last but not least, I'll leave them to squabble, abuse each other, put each other down and demand that certain people should be banned from those message boards because their opinion goes against that of the above mob who post the most! And speaking of mobs, I'll also leave them to form online vigilante type witchhunt mobs, where they talk of torturing or killing some murderer or rapist, just like the stupid peasants of several hundred years ago!

I'll leave them to all that and I'll go and water me some beans...

um yes we are talking about people who would join the naxis or commies depending on who had the best uniform: not punks.

and the way you talk, your an individualist but that sense that you're the only one is what the kids have been fed on 'i can do what i like' ie: you can do what you want within reeason but a problem solved is a problem halved as they say and i ain't no utopiest as like you i have too much experience and read too much etc to know better but i can always do better for all as far as it can go rather than just going 'fuckit i'm off ta mcdonalds, wats the point.'

vic uni students have invented a rad stoat trap but that uni is class central so it has to be bigger than just i planted a tree today, it is part of, not the whole or might as well not bother and thats speaking from experience casue thing certainly ain't got better and i'm quite serious and pragmatic , no hippy liberal or dictatorial freedom propenent, lets say i'm focussed and am willing to do most of the work without taking any pedestal if given a hand.

Pretty sure there are still bands such as Born/Dead covering those subjects.

bludy americans aha, they invented ' 'hardcore' ', nuff sed, dc we're agovt city yeaaa aha

I'm well aware that there's still bands out there that sing/care about such issues, I'm talking about the general populace that don't care! Not that that's anything new...

Punk is just so dumbed down now, now that it's just another mainstream genre of music! You have lots of people who like the music, but that's about it... their attitudes/lifestyle are just so... well, mainstream!

But we're going round and round in circles here, I just keep repeating myself!

I watched "Punk In London" last night, a DVD filmed in about 1978 about the early London punk bands! Some of them were talking about how punk's already dead, after the mainstream media/record labels cottoned on to it and exploited the fuck out of it... about how bands would sign up to a big label, make some money and just turn it all into exactly what they were rebelling against in the first place!

The early 80's movement injected some new life into it for a while! Until that died in about the mid 80's and a lot of the band's music turned to pus in an effort to "appeal to the mainstream"... I can remember some really bad songs/albums from the likes of Blitz, ANWL, Abrasive Wheels, Partisans etc etc etc... Their music got really tamed down/turned to utter crap to try and sell more records! It failed... and the bands broke up and disappeared!

And then during the 90's and 2000's when there was a new interest in these bands, a lot of them reformed...

So basically, what I'm always trying to say is, is that punk is so popular as a "genre of music" now, now that it's been so watered down by all the "normals" who just don't get it... In the past, all the "normals" didn't listen to punk rock wherea's now they do! And message boards are a great place to ultimately realise that... by reading all their "normal type" attitudes and opinions that haven't changed since I got into punk in 1979... it's just all the same old shit!

Thankfully, there's still a hardcore element of punks and the like who think outside the square! I just wish the other 95% would fuck off...

Ha ha, only on a New Zealand punk message board could you be called "useless" because you've spent the last more than 20 years playing in punk bands/organising gigs/recording and not working a "real job"! Which showcases perfectly the corservatism I'm trying to explain...

word, money talks which is why i'm forcing for change(not just in my utopian head) and i ain't waiting for nobody.